• The Lie of Investigative Judgment

    Now, having laid the foundation, let's look at the Seventh-Day Adventist teaching of "Investigative Judgment." The following quote by Ellen G. White is from The Great Controversy…

    "As in typical service there was a work of atonement at the close of the year, so before Christ's work for redemption of men is completed, there is a work of atonement for the removal of sin from the sanctuary. This is the service which began when the 2,300 days ended (according to Mrs. White this was in the year 1844! Evidently the nineteenth century was more wonderful than we had imagined!-Ed.). At that time, as foretold by Daniel the prophet, our high priest entered the most holy to perform the last division, of his solemn work to cleanse the sanctuary . . . in the new covenant the sins of the repentant are by faith placed upon Christ, and transferred, in fact, to the heavenly sanctuary . . . so the actual cleansing to cleanse the sanctuary. . . in the new covenant the sins of moval, or blotting out, of the sins which are there recorded. But, before this can be accomplished, there must be an examination of the books of record to determine who, through repentance of sin and faith in Christ, are entitled to the benefits of His atonement. The cleansing of the sanctuary therefore involves a work of investigation–a work of judgment. Those who followed in the light of the prophetic word saw that, instead of coming to earth at the termination of the 2300 days in 1844 (as Prophet William Miller had so dogmatically and widely proclaimed.—Ed.), Christ then entered in the most holy place of the heavenly, to perform the closing work of atonement preparatory to his coming."

    It is heresy for anyone to claim that Christ's work of redemption wasn't completed at the mercyseat. There is NOTHING in the Scriptures teaching otherwise. There is nothing even remotely indicative of an "investigative judgment" (as they term it), where Christ completes His work of redemption. Such a doctrine is damnable heresy! SDAs cannot KNOW they are saved, because of their faulty understanding of Christ's work of redemption. SDAs believe that Jesus is still in the process of redeeming them. On the contrary, Hebrews 9:26 teaches, "…but now ONCE in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." Jesus didn't need to go into the Holy of Holies repeatedly as did the Old Testament high priests; BUT, only once (Hebrews 9:25)! The very concept of an "Investigative Judgment" would require Jesus to enter into the Holy of Holies AT LEAST TWICE, the second time being in 1844. Clearly this is extremely unbiblical. The heresy of "Investigative Judgment" denies Christ's COMPLETED work of redemption.

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  • they discuss about why seventhday adventist church dis-fellowship some member and key persons. the answer is there are some intrude to our church and pretend to be seventhday adventist church member but actually they tried to confused the teaching and tried to destroy the church. be aware about the fox that intrude to the church as Jesus mention … the Jesuit is the fox that you need to aware … search it and you will find out

  • about plagiarizer … at her time its not became an issue. beside all the quote she took from others were not wrong teaching … so its not contradict to the scripture. these people didn't have intention to find the truth. they need to be humble and repent so you will have the truth. many things need to be corrected from other denomination. like Sunday as worshiping day is the counterfeit of God mark or God zeal which is sabbath.

  • Dr. William Johnson need to learn how the process of atonement being fulfill .. learn it from the sacrificial procedures that God show Moses for Israelites to exercise … when doing sacrificial lamb the appointed priest process everything in the holy place first and then he went to the most holy place. there are 3 part of process … the altar (the earth) the holy place (heaven) the most holy place (where the Father is) … so when Jesus finish His sacrificial process on the altar (on earth) … He went to the holy place (heaven) then He went to the most holy place on 1844 … if you need the biblical source just let me know and i will give you. this statement only for those already know about the whole story and the facts.

  • The fundamental beliefs of the 7th day Adventist is garbage it is from Rome Babylon has fallen drunk confusion. Study the 3 Angeles message not the 7th gay Adventist…rome Jesuit owned Loma Linda university and most of it churches..check these web sites amazing world ministry, saved to serve., amazing facts ,Dr Walter veith,amazing discovery. They will give u biblical truths…bill huges..love in Jesus ,the truth will set u free

  • William Johnson, Ted Wilson mark Finley, the church has followed Rome and her teaching really sad …i am a 7 day Adventist where I attended a church that is a break off from the church. Egw was inspired by the holy spirit,what she said is happening now this .read the great controversy. Egw was inspired, she was a prophet…read yourself before u judge….dr desmaned, Ford a Jesuit who represents Loma Linda ca he is a Jesuit and most of the conference southwestern all have been infiltrated with the Jesuits. Here is a good place to answer questions saved to served. Amazing facts can contact blessing to the reader

  • If any minister, or pastor, etc. does not believe in the doctrines of their own denomination, then they should resign their positions, and they should go seek out a denomination that they agree with. The list that the guy holds is of those who willingly left because they could no longer teach the tenets of the SDA church. And if they refuse to resign and insist on teaching beliefs that are not in the Bible, they they should be fired.
    Ellen White was inspired in certain issues, but by no means was she infallible. This is also true of prophets in the Old Testatment. Walter Martin was a very proud, arrogant man who had a gift of tearing down the people of God. The Laodicean Church is the SDA Church.. There is no other church that comes after it.

  • There is a Book out there, named: "The early Writings of Ellen G. White", in which she described her visions.
    Compare it with the bible!

    Expl: "Soon we heard the voice of God as many waters, which communicated to us the day and hour of the coming of Jesus"
    Bible says in Mt24v36: nowbody know this date

    Expl: "I saw an angel flying fast to me, who carried me from the earth to the holy city. In the city I saw a temple where I entered."
    Bible says in Rev21v22: there will be NO Temple!

    Expl:""Then a crowd was shown that was crying in great pain. On her clothes were written in large letters: "You are weighed on the scales and too easily invented." I asked who these were, and the angel said, "These are those who once held the Sabbath, but have given up again. ""
    That means this angle declared Miss White that keeping the sabbath (Saturday) is required for the salvation!
    Bible says in Rom14v5 : "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."(KJV)

    Miss White also tells she has visited other extraterrestrial civilisations on other planets who did not fall in sin and many more bullshit.

  • Great Mr Martin. However, I went to the Adventist church as a guest of a friend of mine and I actually never heard of Helen White. I only heard about Jesus. I believe Australians are well ahead in the word of God now a days. By the way I am not a SDA.

  • Disturbing Questions for Seventh-Day Adventists

    Furthermore … and this is PROOF that Seventh-Day Adventism is a big scam … why was there NO Seventh-Day Adventist religion before 1844? Why was there NO teaching of the "investigative judgment" before 1844? Why isn't this doctrine found in the Word of God? Why do SDAs only recognize Ellen G. White as a prophetess? Do you mean to tell me that no other prophets have appeared in nearly 2,000 years? According to the Bible, in Hebrews 1:1 and 2, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son…" According to God's Word, there are NO prophets today, nor have there been since John completed the Book of revelation in A.D. 96; thus, completing the Bible. The Word of God is our Final and Only Authority! Jesus NEVER told us to look for another messenger or prophet. If what SDAs teach is true concerning Ellen G. White, then surely the Word of God would have foretold of the coming of such a great prophetess, who would reveal new doctrines. To the contrary, the Bible says nothing of the such. I find it utterly disturbing that the entire SDA religion was formed out of a major embarrassment, when a foolish Baptist preacher twisted the Bible around, set a date for Christ to return, and then Christ DIDN'T return. Not even a lightning bolt. And another thing, why did all those Baptists descent, suddenly starting a whole different religion? The entire matter is disturbing to say the least.

    Logic with me here. If what SDAs teach is true, then what about all those Christian people who died between the cross of Christ, and the beginning of the investigative judgment of 1844? If Christ needed to complete His work of redemption, then why would He wait until 1844? And here's something to really consider, the year 1844 wasn't set by Ellen G. White–it was set by a Baptist preacher, Miller!!! If Ellen G. White was such an inspired prophetess, why didn't God give her the revelation of the year 1844? Why would God give it to a Baptist preacher? The Seventh-Day Adventist religion was formed by a group of SINFULLY PROUD people, who couldn't accept the FACT that they had been hoodwinked by a misguided Baptist preacher. Thankfully, most Baptist preachers would never be so foolish as to set a date for Christ's return. The Bible plainly teaches in Mark 13:33, "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is." The foolish people in 1844, who followed a man, instead of God's Word, were greatly embarrassed when Miller's prophecy failed to come true. Think about it … these people had sold their homes, quit there jobs, and given away all earthly possessions! Can you imagine how idiotic and desperate they felt? The embarrassment was so overwhelming that they couldn't live with themselves, so they fabricated a new religion which would heal the wounds. Unfortunately, it was to their own destruction, "…in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction" (2nd Peter 3:16).

  • These are arguments for people who have been to divinity school, the actors ought be in court; because they are bible lawyers. The congregation of believers, i.e. the Body of Christ has survived and overcome each ripple in the pond of the world, of wave after wave of new thought.

  • Hebrew 9 says τα άγαι "ta hagai" 'the holy' or 'the sanctuary'. the holy of holiest would be άγαι Άγιον, 'the holy of holiest'.

    And even if it was the holy of holiest compartment of the sanctuary. Just as Moses went once into the sanctuary to inaugurate it. And then went to minister in the holy place.

  • Mrs White never claimed to be the infallible woman of God, something like the female pope.
    Whoever says that about Mrs White is an infiltrator of the SDA, that's so clear. Mrs White was a Christian woman and a servant of God and no chirst-figure.

  • You can't get over on him! He doesn't know everything just like no body does but he is very knowledgeable in scripture. I heard him for the first time about 25-30 years ago and I have never seen any cult get over on him.

  • Wonder if things have changed within the 7th Day Adventist Church since this interview? Since Dr. Martin passed in 1989, I am guessing this interview was mid-1980's or 30 plus year's ago. Questioning the 1844 date to mark what they call the "investigative judgment" is, of course, going to come up again and again but also seems to me like what difference does it make if they believe this or not? Who cares? What surprises me is nothing was brought up about Ellen White saying the Pope is the anti-christ and Sunday worship is the "mark of the beast"… The Sabbath Keepers are the remnant that are saved because they keep the ten commandments (including the Sabbath) and have the Spirit of Prophecy (Ellen White's writings) etc. etc. … Why do they not just admit… Ellen White is not an infallible prophet …revamp some of their non-biblical teachings and move forward serving God? The true remnant are the few people at the top who refuse to consider Ellen White's writings have set beliefs in motion that are not from the scriptures including the 1844 date when the founders of the church believed that was the year of Jesus's return (the 2nd Advent) … The great disappointment of 1844 then was changed to say instead of the second advent.. this was the beginning of the investigative judgment .. they just do not want to let go and admit date setting was wrong in the first place so they hold on to a doctrine that does not hold water, so to speak, to protect a false doctrine and keep a teaching in place that really has nothing to do with salvation.. As far as plagiarism goes… I am thinking during this time period there were no copy-write laws and perhaps Ellen White did what other writers had done since the time of Jesus .. that is just find something that agreed with what she believed and copied it. I do not have a problem with that… the problem is the remnant leaders of this church refusing to acknowledge her writings are not infallible.

  • I was raised in the SDA church beginning in the late 60's (church every week, sda school from grade 2 to college) and was force fed a lot of doctrines, to an extent I feel it was borderline mental abuse! The wishy-washiness of Mr. Johnnson was not evident in the members, pastors, and teachers that I was surrounded by. Everything was black and white, good or bad, and one thing that was held in UTMOST importance was the "Spirit of Prophecy" of EG White.

    I often use the analogy of doctrine being like a pair of eye glasses. The SDAs use eyeglasses that were ground and polished by the words of EG White. When they read the bible, they read it through these glasses!!! Therefore, Mr. Johnnson always goes back to "If it is validated by scriptures"… But he is still wearing the SDA eyeglasses. TAKE OFF THE GLASSES, AND THEN STUDY THE BIBLE! Not only will you find that EG White was wrong, you might even begin to question if the bible is in fact the word of (a) god.

    I recently requested to be taken off as a member of the SDA church. The pastor dragged his feet for nearly a year, before he granted me my request. In the course of the year, I had a few conversations with the pastor. One question I asked him, that was touched on in this video, was "If you were there when EG White was alive, and she was claiming to have prophetic visions, WOULD YOU HAVE BELIEVED HER?" He, like Mr Johnnson, just beat around the bush and never answered my questions. I honestly believe, that most of today's SDAs would have written her off as a false prophet. The reason why??? Because at that time, there were no SDA prescription glasses for them to read their bibles . They would have been reading their bible though eyeglasses ground to other doctrinal beliefs.

    I could go on and on, but let me end on this note. If the bible is truly the infallible word of God, and God wants us all to believe in him so we can be saved, blah blah blah… Then WHY did He in all his powerfulness, not inspire a Bible that was unambiguous and that left NOTHING and I mean NOTHING to interpretation? WHY? Makes me think that a god had nothing to do with the bible.

  • 55:23 Best stumped question whole debate. Why doesn't the SDA say clearly that EGW isn't an inspired prophetess? We know why. William Johnson honestly believes what he's saying but what he was saying is disingenuous at best. Most cults do this. Say one thing to the public and practice something entirely different.

  • Some of Paul’s words on unity and prophesy:
    “In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.”
     fulfill ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord and of one mind.
    29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.
    30 If anything be revealed to another who sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
    31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be comforted.
    32 The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets,
    33 for God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as it is in all churches of the saints.

  • NIV?? NIV Is a spawn of satan! The owner owns the Star tabloid, That Family Guy and The Simpsons shows, He owns several Pornography companies and He owns the publishing company that Publishes Anton Laveys satanic bible!! There is countless scriptures totally changed and numerous scriptures altogether MISSING!

  • They're all Anti Christ if the doctrine has been altered in any way by man! Scripture tells us. Its amazing to me, to say the least, how a human can claim a doctrine is pure truth when they altered to suit there own exalted opinions!! I can list a page full of total contradictions in catholic doctrine for instance! There is Absolutely nothing about catholicism that represents The Gospel of Jesus Christ and Gods Word!

  • DR Johnson had conviction and spoke with humility and i really admire that from him – as the evidence by Dr Marin was quite overwhelming and I think it takes character to not become angry or disrespectful during interview.

  • @ 19:20   I agree that the Bible needs an infallible interpreter…  I disagree that Ellen G. White is that person or any one else.  Well you say that the Holy Spirit Is the Infallible  Interpreter.   Here's the problem.   How many Spirit filled interpreters are out there?  I have known quite a few men that have been lifted up as Spirit Filled men of God by one or another assembly or denomination.    Every one of these men who are allegedly controlled & filled & illuminated by the Spirit of God have major points of disagreement.  Our faith is not in danger of being destroyed by the essentials of orthodoxy.  It rather is in danger of unravelling from the loose ends.   I do have one commendation of the Adventists that the majority of the major  orthodox denominations and independent assemblies lack.    They are very savvy of conspiratorial evil in the world & to their credit are one of the major exposers of evil in Government    They are very good watchmen who appear to care for the well being of their constituency.  They know when the news media does not report a major terror incident correctly.  They are concerned about accurate intelligence of what is going on in the world around them and how that may affect their assemblies..

  • What year is this? Judging from the music and style of dress, it seems that it's from the early 80s, maybe around 1981-1982. The music has a disco beat, which was already passe by the end of 1983. More importantly, this demonstrates how important the word 'remnant' is. It seems that all organized religion and mainline sects are infected with the many problems Yeshua and Torah warned us about. The remnant even in ancient Israel was always the same as it is today. Unfortunately, the very narrow way that Yeshua spoke about has always been true from the beginning of time. That narrow way applies to the remnant found even among mainline denominations and religions like SDA and Catholicism. It's extrememly diffiicult to remain in Catholicism as Adonai's remnant but there are very few who do. Before Israel it was always a remnant as well. The older I get, the more significant the word 'remnant' becomes. And as we wind down toward the end of this age, the more significant the remnant will become. Think of China and North Korea. You defnitely have to be a part of the remnanat to be a believer in those countries. And it may also become that way here in the US as well as in other countries where freedom is taken for granted.

  • Walter Martin wasn't respectful in this session at all.

    I have a pet peeve against those who ignore someone's statement and tries to entrap them instead of seeking the truth in what they believe. This from a Christian scholar.

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